economy. it is a member of the g-20. it is one of the leading countries and i know guys have put money into that country who made a lot of money there. >> they're considered one of the fragile five, as we call it. so if we start to see tapering -- right. just like indonesia or india. yes. so that's an issue. >> so either the promise was delivered, but neither the catastrophe that was feared happened in that country when it turned over from white minority rule. >> yeah, no. i mean, i think -- >> it was somewhere in between. >> you're talking to somebody who continued embracing marxist policies -- >> but many people thought the country was going to go all the way down, but that didn't happen. and it didn't happen that -- the social needs versus the free market. >> well, you see, i think he came to learn that it's not about balancing the free market versus social needs, that they often converge. >> he said he had to balance the fears of the white population versus the hopes of the black populatio